The Final Presidential Debate: Who Won?
Barack Obama and Mitt Romney met up for the third and final debate Monday night—who do you think should be declared the winner?
With the third and final presidential debate complete, Patch wants to know: who do you think won?
President Barack Obama and Republican candidate Mitt Romney met at Lynn University in Boca Raton, Florida, on Oct. 22 to debate matters of foreign policy. The topics ranged from America's role in the world to pulling the troops out of Afghanistan. The candidates even left foreign policy at times to discuss some domestic issues, like education.
Who do you think won Monday’s debate? Take our poll and tell us why in the comments. Check back on Tuesday to see what Patch's Red/Blue Northeast Ohio poll participants thought about the final debate.
Murphy-Solon
10:50 pm on Monday, October 22, 2012
Romney flip flopped again. He has been criticizing Obama for setting a "date certain" in 2014 for a withdraw from Afghanistan but tonight he said he was all in on a 2014 "date certain" withdrawal. I know politicians have a knack for saying what people want to hear, but, I've never seen such a severe case than I've seen in Romney. I simply don't trust that guy.
Murphy-Solon
11:02 pm on Monday, October 22, 2012
The President looked more like the Commander in Chief but that's not surprising. He's spent 4 years in NSC meetings discussing these issues while Romney hasn't. It definitely showed.
James Thomas
11:08 pm on Monday, October 22, 2012
Murphy-Solon-Paid- Obama-Activist,
"I know politicians have a knack for saying what people want to hear, but, I've never seen such a severe case than I've seen in Romney. I simply don't trust that guy."
I Don't Trust You.
Murphy-Solon
11:14 pm on Monday, October 22, 2012
You're an ignoramus James Thomas
James Thomas
9:29 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
You are unintelligent Murphy-Solon-Paid- Obama-Activist
splinter
11:10 pm on Monday, October 22, 2012
I thought a great debate. Both candidates had time to discuss and the crowd behaved with no interruptions.
Both spun a bit on a variety of matters.
In any event, I think the economy is the biggest issue for voters. Impacts both domestic and international policies. It's the "new normal" so we need to close the debt gaps with tax reform (simplify) and short term and long term spending reforms. If we don't have a strong economy, difficult to get much else done.
Jill Saltzman
11:28 pm on Monday, October 22, 2012
Can't wait until Nov. 6th. My gut tells me Obama will remain in office. We'll see....
tom m
11:37 pm on Monday, October 22, 2012
my favorite line from obama ......We have these things called aircraft carriers, where planes land on them ...but what he failed to mention is that we have gone from 15 carriers down to 10 including the USS Enterprise which will be deactivated on december 1st
Murphy-Solon
11:39 pm on Monday, October 22, 2012
I wonder when the last time was that our navy engaged terrorists on the high seas?
Steve Rosen
11:43 pm on Monday, October 22, 2012
Murphy-Solon, I believe it was two years ago when we killed the Somali pirates and kept the world's shipping lanes open.
Alan T
12:05 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
everytime we fire a missle or launch those things called planes
James Thomas
9:31 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
As of Yesterday the Israeli Navy engaged political Terrorists.
Betsy
11:39 pm on Monday, October 22, 2012
I hope murphy is paid because he spends all of his/her time here praising obummer.
Steve Rosen
11:43 pm on Monday, October 22, 2012
Right about now, Gov. Romney is wishing he had a do-over.
James Thomas
9:33 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Right about Nov. 6 Steve Rosen is going to want a do-over.
Dick M.
5:19 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
He's also going to want a do-over on Nov. 7.
Murphy-Solon
11:43 pm on Monday, October 22, 2012
Why don't you speak to the issue I raised Betsy instead of posting nonsense. Hasn't Romney been criticizing Obama for setting a 2014 withdrawal date from Afghanistan? Didn't Romney argue that setting a specific date would tip off our enemies? Didn't he do a complete 180 tonight when he said he'd pull the troops out in 2014 period? Speak to the issue Betsy !!!
Voice of Reason
10:20 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Gov Romney is now using the 2014 date because thats what the commanders have now stated will be the withdraw. He said all along it would be up to the commanders not the politicians.
Nancy Roe
8:09 pm on Friday, October 26, 2012
Yup, I believe that is very true. I also read in the paper tonight that most people feel the economy is improving and will continue to improve over atleast the next year. We'll then if our good pres doesn't get back in everyone will be saying see--we told you Romney would do better, when it really was Obama. Just like their trying to blame him for the economy now, when it was the previous admr. that was responsible. I think Obama deserves another term, he's got the political mind, he truly wants better. Just cuze Romney has money doesn't mean he won't hust the middle class. Nancy Roe
Murphy-Solon
11:54 pm on Monday, October 22, 2012
You're right Steve Rosen. Romney is proposing increasing military spending on battleships at a time when our enemies are hiding out in sand dunes...brilliant
carolo
11:56 pm on Monday, October 22, 2012
Thank You Romney for Endorsing the President about 5 times on what he is already doing.
Obama managed to catch him on his numerous flip-flops and I was happy to see Obama had to point out we no longer fight wars with horses and swords. LOL
James Thomas
9:39 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
He's already carrying out the Policies BUSH left in place.
WHY? Because they were RIGHT.
Holly Pierpont
3:09 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Actually, Obama should check himself. We do use horses - do you think we drive tanks up the hills in Afghanistan? And we do still us bayonettes. Just ask our military. Obama could have driven his point home without sounding like a smart-assed 12 year old who thinks he knows it all.
Dick M.
5:21 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Actually, given the lack of detail in how he was gong to deliver all of thise things that he promised--like jobs--it was Romney who sounded like the immature one.
Sandy
11:58 pm on Monday, October 22, 2012
Romney sounded more like Obama's running mate than his opponent in the number of times he agreed with the president's current policy. Meanwhile, I have noticed that Romney's debate strategy is to keep interrupting and talking non-stop in order to avert any intelligent discourse. I simply cannot envision this guy having meaningful discussions with other heads of state.
Nancy Roe
1:07 pm on Thursday, October 25, 2012
I couldn't agree with you more. You hit the nail dead center.
Nancy R.
Rick
7:04 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Bob Schieffer said it all last night "Obama Bin Laden" Oh and Sandy it was ok for Obummer to do the same in the 2nd debate" have noticed that Romney's debate strategy is to keep interrupting and talking non-stop in order to avert any intelligent discourse."Where was your complaint on Obummer for this?
Gina J.
7:10 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Who on earth would put faith in a man named Mitt? Come one people wake up he is a sleazy well made businessman not a president to be. I keep thinking he is gonna show up on my front porch trying to sell me a vacuum cleaner or hair ointment... Without a horse race ratings would be to low, game over Barack won.....
James Thomas
9:44 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
"Who on earth would put faith in a man named Mitt?"
People who want a leader in place, not a placeholder like Obama.
Besides, who would believe anyone named Gina? See how the argument runs? If you denigrate the name "Mitt" I'm going to associate "Gina" with sidewalk bubblegum.
Edger
7:29 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
No doubt after last nights betrayal of the Republicans. Obama 2012.
jack kananian
7:32 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Seeing the debate, it appeared the President acted like the challenger. He knows there is change in the wind.
RJ
7:45 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
This debate showed what many of have contended all along... voting for the "2 major" party candidates is like voting for Tweedle Dum and Tweedle Dee. And as I have said Obama is Bush on steriods, spending hard earned dollars and our treat our labors as his own and spend it on worthless endeavors.... just as Bush did.
The greatest threat to the US? Obvioulsy the ever growing National Debt, but the Fed has this issue well in hand... just keep printing more money. When are broke, is the day our enemies (whomever they may be) will party in the streets.
http://www.bloomberg.com/video/how-dangerous-is-the-united-states-national-debt-jkrb79glTuSblS_52JRRRA.html
In addition the officially stated unemployment rate is that hair ointment mentioned by Gina. In 1994 the BLS began using new norms for stating unemployment. While the official rate is under 8% the real rate is actually over 22%, and if we don't believe this just take notice of some of our neighbors in Shaker and many of those to the west of Shaker. Also take notice of the huge increase in the use of Food Stamps (which in fact the US government encourages.... keeps the government fiefdoms ever growing)
http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/unemployment-charts
Gina J. I believe it is Barrack who has sold us the vacuum cleaner (that doesn't pick up dirt and the hair ointment tha makes us bald!
2 parties indeed.... what a bunch of horse hokey!
David
7:59 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Last night was fine, but it still will come down, as it always does, to the wallet and economy and this economy is terrible. Romney will win by a margin that will shock the pundits.
James Thomas
9:51 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
He'll probably win 53% to 47%.
Where have we heard those numbers before?
And when he does every news pundit who ever ran with the 47% story should be FIRED and their news organization revamped for journalistic malpractice. Why do you think Newsweek folded?
Dick M.
5:24 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
And the wise guys in Vegas.
I recommend following the line on that. I doubt that they're gong to be wrong.
Big O schooled The Romster last night. Keep watching!
Pat
8:15 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
At least Mitt Romney is not making false promises as Obama always seems to do. We need a leader for the next 4 years and Obama isn't it!
mentor res
9:08 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
You are so wrong! Obama is soooooo much better then Mitt. Go ahead an vote for Mitt you will end up in the food bank line right behind everyone else!
James Thomas
9:53 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
mentor res,
go ahead an vote for Obama you will end up in the bow down to Barry line right behind everyone else!
Dan Marol
2:48 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
What? Mitt's not making false promises?? How about a 20% tax cut for everyone, on top of the Bush tax cuts, and an increase in military spending by $2 trillion, all while not adding to the deficit. Sounds pretty amazing to me!
Dick M.
5:29 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Really?! -- Just how is he going to create all of those jobs that he claims he will? -- Let me tell you: Tax cuts for the wealthy and deregulation. . . . Oh, wait! Did we have a president who tried that which resulted in the worst economic slump since the Great Depression? Yes, we sure did. Why do you think the RNC and the Romeny campaign have scrupulously avoided either mentioning him (or his policies), or, God forbid, appearing around the country endorsing the R-R team?? . . . W. and Cheney are essentially *persona non grata* in this election.
Gee, who can imagine why?
Terrence
8:23 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Mr.Romney came off like a moderate lastnight..he agreed wit our president on just about every issue..republican gotta be going nuts this morning..ooo..welllll..keep fighting Mr.President
Murphy-Solon
8:39 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
I disagree David. Romney has to have Ohio. He hasn't been able to come closer than 5 points of Obama. I believe his backtracking last night on the auto bailout as well as Afghanistan will result in Ohio slipping out of Romney's reach.
Dick M.
5:30 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Correct. No GOP candidate has won the presidency without winning Ohio. Mittens is also in trouble in most other so-called battleground states.
mentor res
9:09 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Look at all these wannabe republicans! You guys don't have MittMoney.
Terrence
9:19 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Look..you can't clean up a 12YR mess in 4yrs..and to be honest..our president has done almost everything he could..and look at the House he's tryin to working with they signed a plege for Pete's sake..I never saw a House wanting a President to fail
mentor res
9:30 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Thank you Terrence for pointing this out! Obama has done a hell of job trying to fix the mess that Bush messed up
Betsy
9:47 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Everyone on here has chosen their candidate as have I. I have a life and don't need to argue with someone (murphy solon) endlessly about this election. Now just come clean, are you paid for this or do you just not have anything better to do?
Dick M.
5:32 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
I can get paid to do this?? . . . . . . Hot damn!
Murphy-Solon
10:03 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
I'm an Independent who voted McCain in the lat election Betsy. I thank you for suggesting that my posts are worthy of compensation. Lastly, if you don't wish to debate, your choice is relatively simple.............leave.
James Thomas
11:47 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Murph,
They aren't "worthy of compensation", they're so one-sided as to be bought and paid for. But I bet Pravda paid better.
Dan Marol
2:51 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
This is crazy. Like James and Betsy are not one sided? Come on.
David Dibbell
10:18 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Obama is good with words, but has zero leadership skills. Romney speaks intelligently and has a life record demonstrating leadership skills. To be strong abroad, we must be strong at home. "It's the economy, stupid". Let's "change horses mid-stream" and get the job done.
Teresa K.
10:36 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
I'm not voting for either of the "top two" but Romney looked very disturbed last night. Something was off for him with his facial expressions and his body language. He seemed to ramble with details, details- but they didnt all come together. It seemed like Romney had a world of worry on his mind. I think that debate is gonna cost him.
Prez Obama seemed very relaxed and comfortable. Too comfortable.
Dan Marol
2:53 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
I agree. Romney did seem to kind of ramble on bringing up different subjects left and right....almost Sarah Palinish...
Murphy-Solon
10:59 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
That's interesting, I don't remember Romney referring to the commanders last night when he said we would be out of Afghanistan by the end of 2014. That date was set by the President and not the commanders.
Brenda Mayo
11:30 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Even Romney admits that his plan will take 8 to 10 years to see results. I don't think any president can fix the economy in 4 years. So if Romney becomes president, and the economy isn't better in 4 years, we will elect someone else. Romney's plan will stop and a new one put into place. The same is true for Obama's plan.
Jean Hoffman
11:52 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
For those of us that don’t know much about Romney, it is very informative that those people that do know him well – the residents of Massachusetts and the leaders of the Mormon led state of Utah -- both are expected to overwhelmingly favor Obama.
Most Massachusetts Residents Support Obama
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/massachusetts/election_2012_massachusetts_president
The largest daily newspaper in Mormon Church led-Utah, the Salt Lake City Tribune, has endorsed Obama:(The paper commented that there are too many different "Mitts,")
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/55019844-82/romnehttp://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/55019844-82/romney-obama-state-president.html.cspy-obama-state-president.html.csp
Seems wise to follow their lead, if I dare say.
Terrence
12:12 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Now let's set the record...our president..has and will continue to fight for the working people in our great states..Romney is only concerned about the higher ups..and that's what Romney is about..please people get out of the bubble
carolo
1:15 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
ROMNEY: "I know he keeps saying, `You want to take Detroit bankrupt.' Well, the president took Detroit bankrupt. You took General Motors bankrupt. You took Chrysler bankrupt. So when you say that I wanted to take the auto industry bankrupt, you actually did. And I think it's important to know that that was a process that was necessary to get those companies back on their feet, so they could start hiring more people. That was precisely what I recommended and ultimately what happened."
THE FACTS: What Romney recommended did not happen, and his proposed path probably would have forced General Motors and Chrysler out of business. He opposed using government money to bail out the automakers, instead favoring privately financed bankruptcy restructuring. But the automakers were bleeding cash and were poor credit risks. The banking system was in crisis. So private loans weren't available. Without government aid, both companies probably would have gone under and their assets would have been sold in pieces.
Ken Adams
2:06 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
the only numbers that are relavent are the growing numbers of our national debt. 16 trillion and counting. 10 trillion to 16 trillion...all since he has gotten into office. can't blame bush for that.
STEVE
2:23 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Bush is STILL to blame for the growing national debt. You can't erase 8 years of bad financial policies in 4 years. If the money wasn't spent the economy would be 10x worse than it is now. Corporate earnings are up-unemployment is going down. Tired of hearing people like Romney. Just say your a Republican and vote that way. You'd laugh at him if he was running as a Democrat. Just admit what you are. It's better than tricking yourself into thinking Romney is a viable candidate!! The real mess will be if he wins...
Dick M.
5:33 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Yep!
Watts
2:32 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Every poll shows that Obama won handily. Here is an interesting article about how Ohio played a part in last night's debate:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/william-bradley/obama-wins-foreign-policy_b_2005584.html
Personally, I am not sure if Obama did a better job at getting his own positions out or if Romney did a better job of agreeing with Obama's positions. At points it felt like this debate was Romney saying; "Here, just have it, I don't even want to run anymore. My wife hates this and my sons are unravelling."
Dick M.
5:34 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Thank you for that breath of fresh air, Watts!
Ken Adams
2:34 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
hey watts why dont you worry about naples florida
Watts
2:36 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Why would Naples Florida care about how Ohio played a role in last night's debate?
The original Bill
2:38 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
The war in Afghanistan, the war in Iraq, the Bush tax cuts, the Great Recession. All of these can be laid on Bush and all contributed mightily to that 6 Trillion figure
jane armen
2:52 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
I have paid attention to the three debates. I have not been sure how to vote, being a single mother. Yesterday sealed the deal for me. I will try Romney. I voted for the President four years ago. I believed in hope and change. No more. Yesterday Romney appeared presidential. The President looked angry, and like he did not want to be there.
God Bless you Governor Romney. My family needs Hope and Change.
Jane
David Dibbell
2:56 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
The point that everyone seems to be missing about saving the auto industry is this: Had the automakers gone through a normal bankruptcy, then their suppliers and unions, who benefited mightily from their mismanagement, would have gotten to help pick up the cost, rather than dumping it all on the U.S. taxpayer. The car companies would not have gone out of business, but they would have been restructured, presumably under better management. President Obama may have had our best interest at heart, but for sure he hoped to secure a particular voting bloc!
Dick M.
5:39 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
No. Actually, one of the reasons that the gov't sptepped in was because it was unlikely that the carmakers could have gotten the loans they would have needed b/c the banks were reluctant to back them. Romney glossed that over, but detail was lacking in a number of regards from both candidates.
Keep in mind also that the jobs related to all of the suppliers would have also gone south. Collectively this would have been a huge hit on the American economy, and after it had already sustained one! Mittens answer sounded good, but did not reflect the reality of the situaiton. He had previously said he would let them fail. Obama is correct about that.
helen
3:07 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Romney has my vote: not working with UN to take away 2nd amend. rights; understands the economy & business, knows we need to tighten the borders, knows we have islamists trying to hurt us here & our interests abroad; knows that we can't keep the trade imbalance going with China & other countries;
we will have the largest tax increase in this country's history at the end of the year----no-one talks about this. O had the Congress for 2 yrs. until the voters understood they were under goverment-overreach, as never before;
Romney isn't my first pick but prefer him over someone with more socialist tendencies. No one person can be everything to everyone. I pay no attention to the debates because I have paid attention all my adult life & glean information from many sources all year long.
Being Pres. is not a debate situation----it is surrounding one-self with the best advisors, attending every security meeting each morning, wading carefully through foreign policy by being strong yet ready to talk. It certainly is not class warfare & pitting groups of people against each other.
Reagan dealt with Libya & they did not try another attack. Carter was weak with Iran & they took hostages. It is so much more complicated than an arrogant smile or rehearsed come-back.
don schnee
4:21 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
obama has spent his campaign denigrating romney. what's his plan for the next 4 years? more of the same? i've had enough
Gina J.
4:17 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
gina=sidewalk bubblegum James???? that is fine with me I love bubblegum and there is nothing a tea bagger can throw at me that I can't handle...........President Obama won so get over yourself.
RJ
4:58 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Larry King will serve as moderator for this special 2012 Presidential debate on October 23 at 9:00pm EDT at the Hilton Chicago.
The Free and Equal Elections Foundation, the only organization offering a platform to every major candidate, has assembled a diverse group of ballot-qualified candidates in order to offer a truly multi-partisan debate for American voters. With sponsoring organizations spanning the ideological spectrum from The Nation to The American Conservative, it is clear that both the left and right in this country agree that the two-party system is broken. Free and Equal’s debate will be the type of open, honest, and solutions oriented discussion that the American people deserve.
Unlike traditional mainstream debates, viewers will be invited to submit questions via the web and social media, creating the first truly open and democratic debate on record. People can submit questions via Free and Equal’s website, or they can use the hashtag #AskEmThisLarry on Twitter.
Watch the debate here.
Jennifer
5:00 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Romney wants to push his "morals" on this country and although I think we could all stand to be a bit more conscious of what we do, I also believe women have the right to make decisions for themselves regarding their own health choices any man disagree? If so Please explain why you are able 24/7 OTC to purchase meds which can cause unwanted pregnancy? And then explain this to me Romney: why you see single parent homes less valuable than both parents? Or did you miss the fact that the majority of marriages end in divorce... And the economy: here's what I have to say about it Insurance companies, hospitals and corporations are the top earners in this country.That's gross. People used to go for free if you couldn't afford it bc back then everyone's health was important& dr would even come to you house calls Remember those Of course not docs started getting $330k worth of education which then required them to give into pharmaceutical companies, hospitals and insurances. Want the economy to get better? Make medicine non-profit that solves several issues, the first is the money the secnd is the corruption-yes I've been in the industry a while now it's everywhere. Dr doesn't care about you he cares whether you're insurance is paying.Truth hurts. THINK people.. Obama, he actually grew up like most of you. Romneys company (which he inherited) BUYS other companies.. He doesn't even know what it's like to be middle class let alone broke and struggling..
RJ
5:03 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
The debate tonight can be seen on cspan or free and equal
French Swede
5:57 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Lots of blah-blah going on here. I'll give you no opinions-just facts.
#1 The Fed caused the current economic crisis, just as it caused the Great Depression. If left alone, the economy will heal itself.
#2 The economy problem will fade into the background for the next president. Iran and radical Islam will overshadow everything, and that won't heal itself.
Period--end of report.
soldiermom11
6:35 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Romney out foxed obama. He didn't take the bait but got his points across. Obama lied about sequestration, things Romney said about Detroit and the bailout. Even the New York Times has an article quoting exactly what Romney said. Obama looked petulant, angry, and scared that he might lose and Romney didn't let him attack him. Romney looked cool, collected and presidential.
Jennifer
7:01 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Hahahaha soldier.... "Dream on, dream on" Romney is an idiot who couldn't figure out the worth of a hard days work if it jumped up and bit him. AND he's a missionary at his church, which is great except we've all seen what religious extremities do in positions of power... Or are the 30/40s something you skipped in history? Even the most primitive human behavioral psychology would indicate that he will make choices based upon his religion over what is best and further more desired by "we the people".. For example birth control which quite a few religions disagree with, would go support it becoming illegal? I don't. So a religious belief shouldn't be forced upon me. And if you follow basic psychology that's what Romney will do, because he's BASIC. Obama will win. Hands down and as a woman I can't believe you're supporting the man trying to take away our rights! Shame on you!
Diana Woods
1:13 pm on Wednesday, October 24, 2012
President Obama clearly won this debate. Unfortunately, there are those that are distracted by thing that do not matter.
We are all Americans that need a strong leader, not because you have deep pockets to buy whatever you desire. A leader with wisdom and who is looking out for the best interest for the average person.
Someone like me who works hard everyday to make things happen.